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Archived feedback from people offering their opinions on the state of Nu-Metal:

  • "Alex Farley" <metalfan2003@verizon.net> - 30 Oct 03: Regarding your 131 ways to tell you are a mallcore kid. Some overall thoughts:

    1. Your hair is dyed a color that doesn't appear naturally in humans, and you think tattoos and piercings are "sexy."

    Sounds like the way thrash fans felt about hair/glam metal in the 80's. But there were actually some pretty good songs from some of these glam-metal
    bands, and unlike many (certainly not all) nu-metal fans with such body piercings, the hair is easy to cut, and all it takes is simply stopping using the hairspray and wearing the spandex, while when a nu-metal fan gets older, they will have to ask "What am I going to do about these holes in my face?" ...lol

    6. You think "Eighties Metal" refers to Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, and Poison. - Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, and Poison ARE 80's metal, but some things that nu-metal fans forget (at least by what you seem to imply here) is that they didn't know that Metallica and Megadeth, and countless other thrash bands originated in the 80's. I'm sure most nu-metal fans know that.

    11. You assume that if someone doesn't like Slipknot, they must listen to "pussy stuff like N'sync". - Preach on brother! This constantly got forced down our throat by MTV back when Fred Durst, Johnathan Davis, etc. etc. were constantly picking random fights with pop groups that they otherwise shouldn't even give a shit about (remember the Fred Durst vs. Christina Aguilera feud, anyone?) Eminem has also made this a trick of his trade.

    12. You claim to like heavy metal, yet can't name any German thrash bands. - I love heavy metal and I can name the three main Teutonic Thrash bands right off the top of my head: Kreator, Sodom, and Destruction. I even own Kreator's Terrible Certainty. ;)

    18. You'd just die if Jonathan Davis touched you! - I'd just die if I heard another Korn song on the radio.

    20. You say things like, "Korn rulz and always will! If u dun like them you sux!" - See Rule #11.

    21. You're under 20 years old and claim to like "extreme music." - When I was 18, I liked bands like Cannibal Corpse, Six Feet Under, Mercyful Fate and GWAR (at least that is when I was first really exposed to them), so that argument is meaningless for me.

    23. Your music collection consists of less than 100 items. Most or all of these names appear in your collection: Korn, Taproot, Limp Bizkit, Fear
    Factory, Machine Head, Coal Chamber, System Of A Down, Downset, Soulfly, Pantera, Mudvayne, and Static-X.
    -- Fear Factory's Demanufacture and Obsolete are both on my top 35 albums of all time list, yet I really want nothing to do with nu-metal. Machine Head's Burn My Eyes is actually a thrash masterpiece IMO, but Rob Flynn found a trend that started occurring in the late 90's and attempted to cash in. IT FAILED. Their new album, from what I heard, is a return to the style of BME and The More Things Change. As for Pantera, they actually put out decent music as my 2nd favorite album of all time is Vulgar Display Of Power, as it is more thrash than nu. I probably will never understand your gripe against the almighty and powerful Pantera.

    25. You love Incubus and don't know that there was once a Florida thrash metal band by the same name. -- I did, and I actually used to like some of (the nu) Incubus.

    29. You think Korn "revitalized heavy metal", even though the band themselves want to be disassociated with the genre. -- Korn is definitely not metal, so enough said. ;)

    30. You don't realize that Rob Flynn disgraces his past in Vio-lence with every passing moment he spends in Machine Head. -- See my rant on Machine Head on #23.

    32. You think death metal is Satanic. -- Then what have Deicide always been and what did Morbid Angel use to be
    on their first four albums? Didn't Morbid Angel guitarist Trey Azagthoth use bite himself repeatedly during shows as a symbol of allegiance to the devil?

    34. You think Fear Factory keeps getting better on every album. -- Fear Factory actually was getting better on every album, then they put
    that rap song on Digimortal. Enough said.

    35. You don't realize that Pantera ripped off Exhorder after deciding to cease and desist with glam. -- From what I remember reading, Exhorder's debut and Pantera's Cowboys From Hell came out about the same time. I could be wrong though. I've been wrong before in the past.

    36. You think that Metallica is good for a bunch of old geezers and Reload rocks!! -- I like older Metallica (preferably And Justice For All and before) better than anything they have done since and including the Black album, and I was actually introduced to Metallica through Load and the aforementioned Black album.

    37. You consider the black album "old Metallica". -- The influence of producer Bob Rock would definitely make the black album a non-qualifier for being "old Metallica". Definitely with you there. ;)

    38. You think that Roadrunner is an underground label. -- They actually used to be an underground label, with names like Death, Obituary, Sepultura, King Diamond/Mercyful Fate, Deicide, etc. etc., then even some of their own (Machine Head, anyone?) decided to capitalize on the nu-metal trend and resulted in them signing a lot of nu- and even non-metal (i.e. Nickelback) bands and wound up letting go of a lot of their good bands. But they actually were at one point, an underground label, although they are far from it now.

    39. Best Buy meets all of your music needs. -- Actually, I found Iced Earth's Horror Show there (even though I didn't buy it. I should have :p). There were other interesting finds there, not just nu-metal bands.

    42. You never experienced the torture of "Headbangers' Ball" - sitting through 2 hours and 50 minutes of White Lion, Extreme, Enuff Z Nuff and Poison to see a Kreator video. -- The current torture of Headbanger's Ball means I have to sit for 1 hour and 50 minutes of Slipknot, Mudvayne, Ill Nino, etc. etc., just to see a fucking Iron Maiden video.

    49. You say things like "Korn are heavier than Iron Maiden or Judas Priest EVER were". -- As far as this one goes, I would say that Korn are heavier (in the sense of moshability) even though they are not really better. But Judas Priest has some pretty good "moshers" in some of the tracks from Painkiller and Stained Class (check out "Exciter", "Painkiller", "All Guns Blazing", "Night Crawler", etc.). Just because it is "heavier" does not necessarily mean it is better!

    53. You think Slipknot is "The heaviest fucking band on earth, EVER. Nothing could top that, dude." -- I can name a shitload of bands heavier than Slipknot. Slayer, anyone?

    54. You think Linkin Park mosh pits are "violent." -- I don't even think Down moshpits are "violent". (Saw them on Ozzfest 2002, and it was my first time in the pit!)

    62. Before the Black Album got huge, you called Metallica "worship-Satan, kill-your-mother, rape-your-sister shit." -- Like I said earlier, I was exposed to Metallica through the black album and Load, and before then, I did not know enough about the band to have an opinion.

    66. You've heard real metal and you don't like it. -- Even back during my nu-metal heyday (yes, I used to listen to it), I enjoyed hearing bands like Judas Priest, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer (Seasons In The Abyss and before), Alice Cooper, etc. etc.

    67. You refuse to acknowledge the fact that Slipknot's masks are just gimmicks. -- Even back when I liked Slipknot, I knew they were.

    69. You call death metal boring but you've never actually listened to a death metal band. -- See #21. I was 18 at the time, and I was into nu-metal, I really enjoyed bands like GWAR and Six Feet Under. But fortunately, it's worth mentioning that I hate nu-metal now.

    70. You get confused in the metal chatroom as to why most people there are "dissing" your favorite band. -- Well, to each his/her own, I suppose :)

    77. When somebody mentions Slayer you think God Hates Us All. -- When I think Slayer, I think Seasons In The Abyss.

    78. You say the first Coal Chamber album doesn't sound like Korn. -- Definitely does, and I knew this back when I listened to them.

    79. You get confused when somebody says the singer from Tristania is better than the singer from Kittie. -- Well the singer from Arch Enemy certainly is!

    82. Your idea of Death Metal is Fear Factory. -- I'm a big Fear Factory fan, and the term "death metal" doesn't even cross my mind. I know some people who have also called Slipknot "death metal", but even when I listened to them, I knew they were not. See, there are exceptions to the rule! :)

    85. You think Cannibal Corpse started "death metal." -- Death metal was actually started by bands like Possessed, Death and Morbid Angel.

    86. Your closet is full of Jncos and Korn/Slipknot/Mudvayne shirts, all with bleach stains and holes and fringed ends. -- Sounds like what my Pantera, Fear Factory, and Megadeth shirts look like (minus the bleach stains).

    89. You use your index, pinky AND thumb when making the metal salute. -- I think that is actually an "I love you" salute. lol

    95. You consider yourself a black metal fan because you recently found out about Phil Anselmo's side project "Viking Crown." -- As big of a Pantera fan as I am, I actually knew about bands like Mayhem and Burzum before hearing of the Pantera singer's side project.

    97. You deny that Slipknot and Korn are mainstream, yet they are constantly aired on MTV and widely available in malls. -- Once again on the mall thing, I found Iced Earth's Horror Show there, plus numerous other (non-nu) metal classics. And there was actually a time when MTV was actually good (like when they played videos).

    104. You think every band Metal Edge Magazine mentions is metal. Not to mention go by what bands label themselves, no matter how false it is. -- Metal Edge is probably the single worst metal magazine on the planet, alongside Hit Parader and Circus. If I want to hear about metal bands, I pick up Metal Maniacs.

    105. You play a 7-string guitar and seriously think Korn invented them. -- 7-string guitars have been used since 1934 I believe.

    106. You don't know that Korn ripped off a Morbid Angel song. The breakdown of Morbid Angel's "Angel Of Disease" sounds exactly like Ball Tongue. (Angel Of Disease-1993, Ball Tongue-1994) -- Haven't heard "Ball Tongue", and "Angel Of Disease is my favorite song from Covenant, but why haven't Trey, Erik, David, and Pete sued Korn for making millions of dollars from Morbid Angel's music?

    108. You think Tool is talented because they sound different from other mallcore bands. -- Undertow is actually a pretty good album, but on the last two albums (Aenima and Lateralus) they've played some pretty boring stuff. Half of Lat is throwaway garbage. I know that Tool is talented, but they could be better if they stopped beating interesting riffs half to death and focused on writing and playing good songs.

    110. You think no one listens to Eighties Metal anymore and if they do, they're at least forty years old. -- I am 23 years old, and have been listening to Eighties Metal since I was about 17 or 18.

    114. When someone mentions grind, all you can think of is Anal Cunt. -- I think most nu-metal kids have heard of Napalm Death also.

    116. You think people who don't like mallcore don't listen to it because they can't understand it. -- I can understand mallcore. And what I understand about mallcore is that I don't like it :D

    117. You think people who don't like mallcore can't take "hard music." -- Man, hasn't this been beaten to death already?

    118. You think Deicide is the most Satanic band in the world. -- They are Satanic, but I'm not sure about "most Satanic band in the world".

    120. You think Slayer are the godfathers of "death metal." -- No, that would go to bands like Possessed and Death. RIP Chuck.

    121. When someone mentions Hellhammer, you think of the drummer of Kovenant. -- I don't know Hellhammer and have heard only one Kovenant song, a song I didn't care for.

    125. You say anything you don't listen to must suck. -- The "true metallers" are known for doing this as well, as well as die hard fans of non-metal-related genres.

    126. You think Ozzy is the godfather of all metal. -- Pretty much, man!

    127. You think Brave New World is the best Maiden album. -- I think most nu-metal fans who were made to sit down and listen to BNW would actually say "This sucks!" It's not like they can be convinced to listen to any Iron Maiden.

    128. You think "666" is a Satanic symbol. -- "666" actually originated in the Bible (book of Revelation at the end of the New Testament) and is used to describe the "number of the Antichrist", and the Antichrist is actually depicted in the New Testament as Satan "in human flesh". Iron Maiden actually uses the above-mentioned Scripture as the intro to the title track from Number Of The Beast, so I would have to say that you are wrong here, also.

    129. You obstinately deny the influence of rap in mallcore even though many of them claim rap influence. -- Sounds like a friend of mine who hates rap ("Biggie Blows" was one of his favorite things to say when I went to school with him), but likes bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit, etc. etc.

    130. You've never heard 80s Sepultura. -- Beneath The Remains is pretty close to a fucking masterpiece, and Arise (although it came out in 1991) continued that trend, and is my #3 favorite album of all time. Then came Roots and Soulfly. Max, can Soulfly and get your ass back in Sepultura and start writing Arise Part #2. This is non-negotiable. :D

    131. Last, but not least the first time you hear of Meshuggah is when they play Ozzfest this summer. -- That's the first time I saw Meshuggah, but not the first time I had heard of them.

    My $0.02...

  • S0apDistant@aol.com - 29 Oct 03: Hey, good on you man, pray for the day that Kurt Cobain is resurrected and the limp bodies of the pointless (Durst must die) shall hang from every streetlight in Seattle as a warning to all the shite pre-pubescent nu-metal bands that keep bursting out of the ground like those phallic mushrooms round here. So, yeah, thanks for destroying pretension! Maybe one day we'll all wake up and see the return of grunge. Eddie Vedder being paraded round the streets etc, while he constantly complains about this idolisation. Shit, man, I'm rambling...i don't think that was just Golden Virginia

  • David Kasmisnky <dwwave@adelphia.net> - 28 Oct 03: Cool, but lengthy article p.s what about duct tape?? -- David

  • "Camilo Galeano" <lex_satanicus@hotmail.com> - 27 Oct 03: As a musician I listen to a lot of genres. But I don't like Nu Metal; who cares? I think it's ugly! I don't care what other people listen to! As long as they are enjoying it, good for them! I like Metal, I really like it...but if Mallcore bands wanna play music their way, leave them to it!

    Hail Satan!
    Happy Halloween!

  • È <gill@beedle.fsnet.co.uk> - 21 Oct 03: i dont really know what makes a particular type of genre what it is but i do know that people (normally townies and shitty gits like them) go around telling the everybody else that the music they listen to is the best shit in the world and the rest will make you go deaf if you listen to it for even a second. them types of people also hang around at nu metal an rock concerts in groups scouling at everyone they see and picking on anyone whos not wearing the latest cloths. those gits should be locked up or thrown into hell because they're taking away the meaning of the music. im going to shut up now as ive forgotten my point and realised that none of this is relevent to anything.bugga.

    I'ves heard of but never heard Nirvana until a while ago. as soon as i heard teen spirit and come as you are i promtly went out, found a Nirvana greatest hits CD and brought it. i always knew that id like them and Kurt Cobain is one of my idols (even the small matter of death isnt gonna stop that. Nirvana and Linkin Park are my 2 fave bands and have been for a while now. ROCK ON!!!!!!

  • Frank Giglio <blackangelsreturn@yahoo.com> - 18 Oct 03: The site is great. I love the Nu-Metal thing. I noticed something you either didn't mention, or I just looked right over, though. Did you ever notice how fans of nu metal bands take insults of their favorite artists more personally than the band itself would? Example conversation :

    Metalhead: Slipknot is terrible.

    MaLlGoThReBeL: u jus dont no good musik! u suk! id liek 2 c u say dat 2 there face!

    In actuality, do you think half the bands would care?

  • Kimberly Thompson <embracingemo@yahoo.com> - 16 Oct 03: I found that your rules or statements about nu-metal were all quite true with a few exceptions that are really to meaningless to talk about. Nu-metal is just hitting a few strings that are completely dissonant from each other and having your distortion on. A 5 year old child could do that.

    I would like to remind you though that Hot Topic and what use to be Gadzooks not only sold nu-metal clothing but also punk clothing. Im a big underground punk core kid and since there isn't that many stores with fish net stockings and fuck me boots that Hot Topic is sufficient at times.

  • "Arno Van Putte" <arnovanputte@pandora.be> - 10 Oct 03: hahaahaaahahahahaahaa! you speak the truth about the nu-metal,and i don't understand that this site is offensive.Probably these peoples are now sittin' in their room cutting themselfs and listening to papa roach.Keep on the good work. -- ARNO

  • "MIKIE _01" <mikie_01@msn.com> - 05 Oct 03: Your site sucks big time, I mean what a shitty waste of time.

  • "Roy" <roy2001@ya.com> - 04 Oct 03: hi, my opinion is you have too many time to spare LOL and that somehow you manage to be an asshole, so good work jerk!

  • "Crazy Spud" <crazyspud86@yahoo.co.uk> - 03 Oct 03: Hi, I came across your website, and to be perfectly honest I don't see your problem, other than you need psychiatric help and a dose of 'open mind'. So what if you don't like nu-metal? you don't have to make some webshite totally dissin it. I personally don't like pop/dance etc, but I haven't been such a lame-ass loser as you have and made a 'let's dis everything I don't like' website. So now I've put in my 2 cents, shove your website up your opinionated, self-conscious ass!!

  • "Yves Beaumont" <yvesbeaumont@pandora.be> - 03 Oct 03: This site is really superb! Hillarious! Those Prep-school-rockers, with Tattoo's-payed-by-their-record company, really play the same role like Spandau Ballet, Wham and Culture Club did in the eighties! Nothing more, nothing less! I even met this "contemporary-metal-fan" some time ago, who had even never heard of Faith No More and Sepultura!! Get the picture?!

  • "Nathalie Piolon" <nathalie.piolon@pandora.be> - 03 Oct 03: The website on Nu-Metal is superb! One thing however, is forgotten in the list 'bout how to act as a real Nu-Metal band:
    "Indeed, get a (tribal-)tattoo, but it has to be paid by your management or the record-company!'

    Those "Nu-Metal-weekend-rockers" (Limp, Linkin, Slipknot,...) really suck indeed!! Makes me think of the role Culture Club, Wham and Spandau Ballet played in the eighties!

    Greetings,Yves Beaumont, Belgium

  • "Robyn Mann" <robyn911@swbell.net> - 03 Oct 03: this is by far the most hillarious and accurate account of nu-metal i have ever heard. Its comforting to know that there are other people in the world who share such feelings of annoyance and embarrasement to be lumped into a category with people like that. i have never laughed so hard in my entire life. --- keep the good work up

  • david sigmon <kuntry_devyl@yahoo.com> - 03 Oct 03: You have a good site, It obviously took you a great deal of time to think up all that stuff. But really, What makes you such an expert on metal? Was it your major in college? People have different tastes in what is good and what isnt. I personallly dont know any german thrash bands. I have many nu-metal and rap metal styled cds in my collection. And I have many death metal cds as well. Well, you are far too underground to like six feet under though, arent you? You're philosophy on music must be*the crappier the recording quality, the better the music must be* Wrong. These bands Sell more copies because they are obviously more talented than most of your bands. granted, some nu metal is very cliche, and overdone. But alot of it is very original and creative. That and the fact that you have to be a coomplete, loser, to base a site around something you really don't see to understand at all. I hate cmplaining to sites, because you wwill just put this on your site, and write some comment under it, making me look dumb. But this really pissed me off. Metal is metal, wether, nu, death, black, or anything else. We are the other guys, We're the greay freaks, and tattoed losers. And we pick on eachother, based on what style of metal we listen to. because we aren't underground enough to be in your super-loser clique. Or because the underground guys walk around with mullets, and sport darkthrone shirts, and faded jean jackets, with venom patches. The metasl community has so many different genres, all fighting for who's style is better. It makes me sick. I hate to sound all preachy based on a site, that is mostly a joke anyway. but it makes me feel bad to know that we all just can't get along. Just because you don't like a certain style of music, doesnt mean it isn't good in some way or another. But whatever. No one cares anyway. Whoever does this site, will most likley laugh at this email, So. That's what I think anyway. And I feell better for having said it, regardless of what everyone else who reads this will think of it. fuck those who laugh at this. You arent real metal fans in my eyes. True metal fans to me, are a community of people Who get along based not on the style of music they choose, but on the simple fact that they do listen to a style of music that isn't acceptable on most levels. That's all I guess. --- Sloth

  • Andrew Aldea <ajdea06@sbcglobal.net> - 03 Oct 03: Kicked major ass. I am seriously pissed at the record companies who refuse to play anything but pop punk, nu metal, pop, and hip hop. I've shown many of my nu metalhead friends and their all pissed off because they couldn't think of comebacks. I seriously wish bands like Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Agalloch, Anathema, Novembre, Dissection, Dark Tranquillity, and Dredg would become popular. Than all the nu-metal fans could realize how bad their music is.

    Keep up the good work! ~~~~~~~Andrew

  • "kevin" <jebradec41@hotmail.com> - 02 Oct 03: Dude seriously... if this isn't the most accurate list of its kind I would like to see the better one. It simultaneously summarized all my complaints with the genre and its fans and made me laugh too. thx Kevin

  • "Dimitri" <vanhecke@ana.unibe.ch> - 30 Sep'03: Hey man, I just happen to cross your site: it's great!! Your humor is neatly "tongue-in-cheek", as I like it. But the best part is undoubtly the reply of mr. Slipknot (first reply): "My dad is a drummer too, and he says that Joey is a good drummer." whiiieeeeee!!! what a blast!! I mean, this summarises pretty much the mallcore list. In my name, you can wish this "Mr. Slipknot" good look with his higher educations (Home-Ec?).

    btw: I saw slipknot live once (well, it was a big festival, 7 stages and I happen to pass by...) could you ask one of my fellow epliers what the reason of existence is of that pig? You know, there happens to be a guy with a pig mask running over the stage and falling down all the time. Oh, and their concert had a great final: the concert was in Belgium (that's in europe), and slipknot tried to raise the kids pride by showing off on stage with our national flag (I still remember the pig yelling: "this is your national flaaaaag"), which happend to be the French national flag!!! Justimagine a Belgian band would show off during a USA tour with the union Jack instead of the stars and stripes... And about the concert itself... well, I'm not even gona spoil any bytes on that.keep us the good work --- dimitri

  • "marieke mestdagh" <mariekemestdagh@hotmail.com>- 29 Sep'03: Man, this is hilarious. Finally someone who knows that all those bands are alle the same. Sorry you have to take crap from people who would die for those bands :) Keep up the good work bye

  • pika hobbes <pikahobbes1@yahoo.com>- 29 Sep'03: Overall, very funny stuff. I hate most nu-metal, but there are a few points I disagree with:

    From 101 Rules:
    1. When asked who your musical influences are, say Black Sabbath -- always Black Sabbath. Many real metal bands would say the same thing...I could make a list but I don't want to take up the whole page.

    5. Accept interviews only from the following music magazines: Metal Edge, Revolver, Alternative Press, Hit Parader, Guitar World, Kerrang! and Rolling Stone. Guitar World just did a feature on thrash metal, as well as several interviews with Dave Mustaine over the years.

    11. No guitar solos. I agree that generally this rule works...nu metal boys cant play solos so they pretend it sucks. HOWEVER- some bands you mentioned, such as Soulfly and Pantera (Pantera isn't really nu-metal, but I understand where you're coming from) have no solos.

    16. Jump in the air while playing your guitar, and while in mid-air place the guitar on your side. Anthrax's Scott Ian does this. They're not nu-metal. And I'm sure many other bands do as well. (I Believe Iron Maiden does too)

    17. During concerts, ask your audience to sing along... The number of musicians, metal or otherwise, that do this is huge, so...

    25. ...has been previously arrested...
    26. ...drinks beer... I'm sure ever glam metaller ever has done this.

    39. Pretend that you hate MTV, and say that you detest the playing of your videos without your consent -- but deep down inside you really like the way they promote your music. A lot of Glam Metal bands loved MTV back in the day, then hated them when they were backstabbed. Understandable, but still goes against what you said.

    52. Make sure that you have at least one band member that's bald...
    53. ...or have a goatee. Scott Ian, Kerry King ETC.

    63. Your guitars must be Ibanez or Fender. Accept no substitutes. Add Esp and Gibson to that list. Remove Fender...Don't know many Nu-Metallers that use it.

    6. You think "Eighties Metal" refers to Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, and Poison. It does...as well as referring to Bay Area Thrash, but Glam was there too.

    12. You claim to like heavy metal, yet can't name any German thrash bands. Lots of Power Metal fans can't...but I shouldn't talk, I LOVE Kreator, Sodom, and Destruction.

    18. You'd just die if Jonathan Davis touched you! I'd probably die cuz his lack of talent might infect me.

    32. You think death metal is Satanic. Convince me that Deicide and Destroyer 666 aren't Satanic.

    42. You never experienced the torture of "Headbangers' Ball" - sitting through 2 hours and 50 minutes of White Lion, Extreme, Enuff Z Nuff and Poison to see a Kreator video.
    I never saw the old headbanger's ball...but I experienced the torture of watching 1 hour and 50 minutes of Korn, Limp Bizket, and System of a Down to see one Iron Maiden Video. And it wasn't even that great of a video. Wildest Dreams is ok...I want me Aces high!

    39. Best Buy meets all of your music needs.
    I've bought Iced Earth, Megadeth, Slayer, Sepultura (Beneath The Remains 1989), and Morbid Angel from there.

    77. When somebody mentions Slayer you think God Hates Us All.
    When someone mentions Slayer, I think Seasons in the Abyss because I like it...what if someone likes God Hates Us All? It's not that bad...well ok it is, but that's besides the point.

    85. You think Cannibal Corpse started "death metal." Just so the little nu-metal kiddies can learn, Death or Possesed are generally credited with it. But Morbid Angel is the true death metal band.

    96. You think Cradle Of Filth is black metal.
    What are they then?

    111. You think Chris Barnes has the "deepest voice."
    Who does, then? His growl is pretty deep (Although I like Morbid Angel waaay better.)

    121. When someone mentions Hellhammer, you think of the drummer of Kovenant.
    I like Hellhammer, but I don't even know who Kovenant is. No mallcorer knows who either of them are.

    123. You like Primus, but don't know who Possessed were.
    Some Primus fans aren't into nu-metal...plus not everyone keeps tabs on band member's previous projects.

    124. You would cream yourself if Ozzy autographed your copy of the Reunion CD.
    Ozzy is the man. Well actually Randy is the man... RIP

    126. You think Ozzy is the godfather of all metal.
    Who else is? The only other person that comes to mind is perhaps Steve Harris...but Ozzy was one of the first heavy metal singers ever. That is a very fitting title.

    127. You think Brave New World is the best Maiden
    album. Any mallcore kid would be like "Man this sucks" if he heard Brave New World, just as he would with any other Maiden, so this point is moot.

    130. You've never heard 80s Sepultura.
    Damn, they haven't? They're missing out.

    Although most of the stuff I mentioned makes no sense.. Soo...great site. Also, I would love to laugh out loud at all the mallcore kids who try to defend their bands and can't name a single real metal band...even though several are mentioned in the list. Geez...

  • "Brian Last Name" <b_j__d@hotmail.com> - 28 Sep'03: After I e-mailed you, I decided to go back and read the replies beyond the first page, and I have this to say:

    Purity515_666 - Dude, because that's what you are, a "dude", look it up, I am "a stupid fuckin computer geek with dumbass glasses" except, oh wait, I'm not stupid, and my glasses have neither an ass nor a state of intelligence,

    I listen to the same music you do, though I'm now ashamed to admit it, are you trying to piss off a large percentage of this world regardless of preferences? On Slipknot, at least two of the members are completely unnecessary. Don't believe me? Watch when they played that ?if you?re 555 blah blah blah? song on Conan O'Brien. If you want to hear a "sic motherfucker at the bass" listen to Les Claypool, or that guy who plays with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. No matter what type of band he's in, Sid is still a DJ. I don't know about the cow's head but I do know for a fact that they have a goat's head, used in the cover art for "Iowa", that they brought around with them on tour, and may or may not have hit each other with. As
    or swearing, this is why they shouldn't swear so much in interviews: "I hope somebody fucking kicks there foot straight into your big fat fucking mouth back" too much swearing makes your statement convoluted, read: can?t be understood. I may swear, but only for emphasis in cases where it's warranted, otherwise you sound FUCKING stupid, yes, I called you FUCKING stupid.

    xLipox - By the fact that he has an opinion, and his own taste in his music, that makes him ignorant?

    Anon April 1, 2002 - Even most Nü-metal people agree that Linkin Park, Papa Roach and Adema suck, so does Emo, My GOD does emo suck... and I believe the webmaster stated his preference in music. Those people who don't realize that Nü means new - Slipknot is, by definition a Nü-Metal band

    Cryptik420 - First off, why spell your name wrong and throw on 420? It?s tacky and unimaginative. While I must say that I like early KoRn, I think we all can agree that their latest albums are, excepting a few songs off of them, inexcusable. 32nd notes are the same on 2-4, 4-4, even 128-4 if there were such a thing, and I'm sure most professional drummers can pull them off, maybe even 64th notes if they wanted to try.

    MitchellShwartz - How can you say that guitar playing and song structure are gone? Show me a Nü-metal band without a guitar player... Although I'm sure what you meant was that there are no more solos, maybe that's what you should have said. No structure, hmm, how does that work? No choruses, bridges, verses? Just random plucks on strings? Sticks being thrown at drums? Gibberish being sung? Truly a pointless post

    Anon April 16, 2002 - While I like Ill Nino, Coal Chamber, 40 Below Summer (what little I've heard form them) and Rage Against the Machine, they are all Nü-metal, Ill Nino and 40 Below Summer aren't particularly heavy and

    Rage is most definitely a rap-metal band, a good one, but a rap-metal band.

    senate2 - read what I said to purity about swearing, and you spelled fucking, ludicrous, fastest, video, and talking wrong.

    damedog18 - racism never was, is not, and never will be acceptable.

    desertfox1984 - so many spelling and grammatical mistakes...

    Anon May 19, 2002 - WAY TOO MANY CAPS MAN, GET'S REALLY ANNOYING. dead_at_dawn - which side are you on? I can't figure out a single thing you said.

    So on and so forth, I'm embarrassed to associate myself with any kind of metal, both sides of this argument made asses of themselves, generally more so than they tried to make the other side appear. You should all be ashamed.

    Anyways, I must say I did enjoy the list, and I'm always glad to see someone express his or her opinion, even if I don't agree, good job man at the very least you got a rise out of some people. Peace, Brian

  • "Brian Last Name" <b_j__d@hotmail.com> - 21 Sep'03: Being someone who was born in the late 1980's I must say that a lot of 80's metal isn't particularly relevant to me being that lots of those bands died before I started having memories, and the rest weren't exactly in any kind of rotation where I live, Maine, growing up, in spite of that, I do listen to and like some older bands, but do you expect me to go back in time? do you expect the flow of music to go backwards? it's called progression, if you don't like it, wait for the next wave, after all, that style went out of fashion for a reason, granted, some of it was quite good, but you have to admit, a lot of 80's bands weren't any good, ahem, warrant, 'nuff said. To bob khan, who are you to say that disturbed, memento, and simple plan (well, never mind, I've never heard of these guys, or are they girls?) are irrelevant, they get played, people buy their records, go to their concerts, like their music, that alone makes them relevant, think before you speak. Yes, I do listen to commercialised, mainstream music, but how exactly do you expect me to find these bands who avoid being mentioned even on public access for fear of "selling out", when the nearest place a band will play is one hundred plus miles away and they won't even advertise it, I can't find them, so why try? they obviously don't care to be found. For another thing, you say that "Nü-Metal" is the same process over and over, point out to me an 80's metal band that didn't have a, usually disgustingly too long, guitar solo right in the middle of it, can you? just because it wasn't made before 1990 doesn't mean it's bad, you talk about diversifying, but you stick to the same dead music you were listening to fifteen years ago, grow up, move out of your parent's basement, and listen to a band that still exists. Music is for listening, enjoying, seeing live, putting the rest of your life on hold, and for that one inescapable instant, existing in the music. -- Brian

  • Oliverio Casás <olito@adinet.com.uy> - 15 Sep'03: I have these questions for the guy who wrote the 131 ways post:

    4. You think Korn is a metal band.
    Why shouldn't Korn be a metal band? Isn't Nu Metal just another metal subgenre?

    6. You think "Eighties Metal" refers to Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, and Poison.
    Weren't they some of the biggest metal bands from the 80's?

    12. You claim to like heavy metal, yet can't name any German thrash bands.
    Besides Kreator and Destruction, how many can you name that don't suck? Please be honest.

    19. You think black metal bands are trying to copy KISS with their image.
    Didn't 90's black metal bands get the corpsepaint look from King Diamond, who was sued by Gene Simmons for stealing his makeup?

    23. Your music collection consists of less than 100 items. Most or all of these names appear in your collection: Korn, Taproot, Limp Bizkit, Fear Factory, Machine Head, Coal Chamber, System Of A Down, Downset, Soulfly, Pantera, Mudvayne, and Static-X.
    I have 1000+ original CD titles on my collection, and the only band I don't own from your list is Taproot. Am I a Mallcore kid, even though I'm 31 and I've been listening to Metal since I'm 11?

    24. You say some rap is good.
    Why shouldn't it be? Didn't you ever listen to Biohazard, Bodycount, Faith No More or Stuck Mojo?

    25. You love Incubus and don't know that there was once a Florida thrash metal band by the same name.
    Do you really think the original Incubus was something more than another cookie-cutter 80's thrash band, or are you just trying to impress people with your knowledge of obscure bands?

    30. You don't realize that Rob Flynn disgraces his past in Vio-lence with every passing moment he spends in Machine Head.
    Do you really think Vio-lence was better than Machine Head's first album, or are you just being an unbearable metal snob?

    33. You think that by dressing, looking and talking like every other Mallcore simpleton that you're showing your individuality and expressing your uniqueness.
    Having long hair, wearing denim, leather and black t-shirts and claiming to know every obscure metal band from Europe is a more valid way of expressing your uniqueness?

    35. You don't realize that Pantera ripped off Exhorder after deciding to cease and desist with glam.
    If Exhorder was so brilliant, why weren't they as successfull as Pantera?

    42. You never experienced the torture of "Headbangers' Ball" - sitting through 2 hours and 50 minutes of White Lion, Extreme, Enuff Z Nuff and Poison to see a Kreator video.
    I actually liked Poison, White Lion, Extreme and Kreator back in the day. That makes me a lesser metalhead?

    49. You say things like "Korn are heavier than Iron Maiden or Judas Priest EVER were".
    Do you really think that Judas Priest's "Turbo Lover" and Maiden's "Can I play with Madness" are heavier than any Korn song? Are you completely deaf, or you just cant't tell that Korn is just heavier (not necessarily better) than both groups? What's your concept of "heaviness", anyway?

    66. You've heard real metal and you don't like it.
    What is real metal to you?

    71. You've sent hatemail to webmasters of anti-mall metal sites(with bad grammar and obscene language, of course).
    Who are you to criticize other people's grammar or language skills? Didn't you write: "98. You really think Marilyn Manson mames animals on stage"? I presume you meant "maims", didn't you?

    75. You claim you don't like boy bands or rappers but you hang around with most of their fans.
    What's inherently wrong about hanging out with people with different musical tastes?

    87. Your idea of a heavy guitar sound is an Ibanez RG7 tuned to Z flat.
    Exactly where do you write the note "Z flat" on a pentagram?

    88. You don't know what happened to Danzig after The Misfits.
    How should a Mallcore kid know anything about The Misfits in the first place?

    96. You think Cradle Of Filth is black metal.
    What is it, then? Polka?

    101. You own a skateboard.
    When did skateboarding become "un-metal"? Didn't James Hetfield break his arm on a skateboarding accident? Didn't Suicidal Tendencies record a song called "Possessed to Skate"? Suicidal Tendencies' late 80's albums aren't metal enough for you?

    104. You think every band Metal Edge Magazine mentions is metal. Not to mention go by what bands label themselves, no matter how false it is.
    Are you aware that Metal Edge was never a credible magazine in metal circles to begin with?

    106. You don't know that Korn ripped off a Morbid Angel song. The breakdown of Morbid Angel's "Angel Of Disease" sounds exactly like Ball Tongue. (Angel Of Disease-1993, Ball Tongue-1994)
    I never noticed that, even if I own both albums and listen to a lot of Morbid Angel. Couldn't it be a coincidence? If it's not, why isn't Trey suing Korn? Who cares anyway?

    108. You think Tool is talented because they sound different from other mallcore bands.
    You really think Tool have no talent? Didn't you notice that Tool's Opiate EP was published in 1993 (long before Mallcore even existed), they were originally labeled as grunge, and are way to original to be pigeonholed?

    111. You think Chris Barnes has the "deepest voice."
    Who has the "deepest voice"?

    118. You think Deicide is the most Satanic band in the world.
    Didn't Deicide base their whole career on Satanic gimmicks? How do you tell who's the "most satanic", with the "Satan-o-Meter"?

    120. You think Slayer are the godfathers of "death metal."
    Who are the "godfathers of death metal", then?

    123. You like Primus, but don't know who Possessed were.
    Do you really think Possessed were so good? What's wrong with liking Primus? Larry Lalonde automatically became a crappy player when he left Possessed and started playing in Primus? How many Mallcore Kids listen to Primus?

    124. You would cream yourself if Ozzy autographed your copy of the Reunion CD.
    Wouldn't you? Is Ozzy's current high public profile offending you so much that you fail to aknowledge his entire musical career?

    126. You think Ozzy is the godfather of all metal.
    Who should it be, then? Being the original singer for the band that invented Metal and the best selling solo Metal artists for two decades is not enough for you?

    Finally, do you know this site? -- www.i-mockery.com/metal/default.asp

    >> Regardless of my previous e-mail, I really enjoyed your page as a whole. Guess I pressed the "send" button too fast. Cheers! -- Oli, the metal fan from way down under.

  • ILLDISPOSED1980@aol.com - 14 Sep'03: Well, I do have to agree pretty much with all that was said on your site, regarding nu-metal, mallcore kids, etc. But, for all the berating (and yes, I'm guilty of it, too), why not try to show them what true metal is all about? I know not all of them will like it, but I've personally turned quite a few nu-metal kids to other bands, varying from Darkane to Tristania to The Prophecy and My Dying Bride. You have to realize, a lot of these bands aren't as media friendly, in an industry which is looking to make a quick buck, so, kids don't get the chance to discover bands that are signed onto labels like Napalm, Osmose, Old Dead Tree, Moribund, Season of Mist, etc., as they are with RIAA-associated labels like Metal Blade and Roadrunner.

    From what I've seen firsthand, a lot of these kids would much rather hear true metal bands than the shit they're listening to now, but have no idea where to start. Even if they do continue listening to their mallcore shit, at least they'd be given the opportunity to diversify themselves a little bit, maybe go into some metal chat rooms or forums, find similar bands, and, seventually, become a bit more enlightened, metal-wise.
    Try to realixe that kids today are recovering from the past rap craze, so, they're not going to be able to go into a CD store, and immediately distinguish what is good from what is shit. They're going to find what they can on the radio stations and MTV, and go with that. So, give them a chance, give them some guidance, and, you won't be able to save them all, nor even a majority of them, for that matter, but, a few is better than none at all. -- Jeff

  • Jasonvelv@aol.com - 07 Sep'03: i see you said you don't get much mail from disturbed fans . frankly i think disturbed are one of the greatest bands ever man . i went to c them in the glasgow barrowlands in december 2002 and they kicked soooooooooo much ass , ive been to many upon many gigs and disturbed was only topped by korn at the secc glasgow on sept 11 2002 . so dont any body trash mouth disturbed , and btw i enjoyed your site mate , very amusing

  • "bob khan" <theblackcross13@hotmail.com> - 07 Sep'03: all these dorks are just made up bands who crossed the boy band formula with the fact that the stupid kids(and they will always be stupid)will gobble up anything with a downtuned guitar and some stupid lyrics with "falling" in them. anyone who thinks wuss bands like memento,disturbed,and for the "punks" out there,simple plan,are relevant and that they rock are really seriously stupid. none of these bands know how to rock and all they sing about is some stupid pain they went/are going thru. all of their song structures are stolen from equally useless "grunge" bands(another genre that shouldve been nuked off the earth before it started..)and thats just what they are-nu grunge. theres nothing metal about this shit.i hate artsy fartsy technical music that doesnt rock but this shit a two year old could write.

  • "kyle" <one4now4@hotmail.com> - 04 Sep'03: I found all of this to be very interesting and thought I would put my own two cents into this discussion. First of all, just because you have a band that is fairly new compared to a lot of traditional metal bands, it does not mean that they are nu metal. Tool and Deftones are both very good examples. To be a nu metal performer, it actually does seem to me that it's quite necessary to follow a lot of the rules you guys have mockingly and respectably posted up here. Still, there is not a whole hell of a lot in common between bands like Limp Bizkit and Tool. When somebody turns on a radio and the latest nu metal hit is on, I can tell right away that it is not Tool, or Deftones for that matter. Tool and Deftones are two bands alone that, despite having to contend with the nu metal jerks, have put out a lot of extremely talented work. Both of these bands, I would dare say, have done some beautiful music that was also heavy. Now, to distinguish a huge difference, I cannot tell the difference between a Linkin Park song, a Limp Bizkit song, or whatever other really awful nu metal band there is out there, with the exception of, say, Disturbed, simply because the guy's vocals are just a little more wacked-out, I guess you could say. When not whining, he sounds like an animal from the jungle. Still, Disturbed sucks and who's to say that that vocalist decided to take his cue from Jonathan Davis when he originally made it popular in songs like "Freak on a Leash". Now, for another thing. For the most part, I do have a strong hatred for the works of Korn and such bands. BUT those bands even sometimes have had shining moments (usually, I admit, at the beginning of their careers). "Blind" by Korn is one of the coolest songs I've heard, regardless of whether most of the junk they put out sucks or not (and I'm sure I don't need to truly emphasize which way I'm leaning on that). Another thing also is Pantera. Pantera are kind of a tricky matter.

    Even people who know about their "glam" past sometimes don't seem to realize that Phil Anselmo was not with them when they did that stuff. He joined after the first vocalist quit, according to my recollection. Also, I've read some things people have said that may or may not be true about how Pantera weren't actually glam as much as power metal, at least in the beginning. In any case, they're definitely not nu metal. Sure, they have exerted a considerably huge influence on the nu metal bands, but that's not really saying much when a lot of these bands are rip-offs of Limp Bizkit or some other crappy group. Pantera established their basic sense of what they are long before Korn were probably that far out of high school. Hell, the same can be said for Tool. Tool's first record was out as early as about 1989, which may not seem too long to a lot of people, but they sure were already on the move way before any of these dicks now. And Tool maintained the sound that they originally had. I guess I'm veering back a bit, so back to Pantera. They're not nu metal. If Pantera are nu metal, then that means that Tool, Deftones, ICP, even Marilyn Manson are nu metal when they are not. Just because the same little prick who goes on about Linkin Park being the greatest thing ever also likes Pantera and Tool and others to that nature, it doesn't mean it's the same thing. I'm really rambling on now, I must apologize, but I have gotten started and now I must finish. Who's heavier is not the question when it comes to heavy music, or, more in particular, heavy metal. Sure, Korn is heavier than Iron Maiden. I love most of the most of the Iron Maiden I've heard (which is a lot of Iron Maiden), and I do hate most of the Korn I've heard (which is plenty of that, too), but Korn is really heavier than Iron Maiden. Still, it doesn't mean that Iron Maiden isn't heavy. Iron Maiden is heavy or else it wouldn't be HEAVY metal. The same goes for Judas Priest. These bands are definitely heavy, they're just heavy in different ways. Maiden have been pretty melodic a lot of times. Still, they are heavy and as long as people know that "metal" is only half the term, they will be able to keep in mind that Iron Maiden is some heavy music, whether they like it or not. Well, I guess that's all. Again, I apologize for being a little long-winded, but I do long-winded well as I've been told. I haven't included a name of mine for anyone to trash, but it doesn't matter who I am. It matters what I said (something a lot of nu metal people seem to forget).

  • Dmtapia4@aol.com - 01 Sep'03: I was just reading your 131 rules to see if your a mallcore fan and I want to truthfully state on that I was in compliance on some of the rules and amused by others. As a constant listener of music except crappy faget friendly pop or country related music I want to say that I dont believe in "nu-metal", it's just another label people give to music when the music doesn't fit into a certain musical type. Most of the CD's I own can be found in a wherehouse or best buy and my rock apparel can be bought at a hot topic. So I'm wondering what the hell does Korn, Tool, Flaw, Deftones, Mudvayne, and even Slipknot fall into musical catagories? I feel as if I dont belong to any genre of music because those are bands are mostly make up my CD collection which is still and always being added to. After reading the stuff on your site I feel sort of put down because you say that nu metal or whatever the hell it is in a way fake, manufactured for masses like pop music is. In my point of view I think you see us listeners of Korn or Disturbed are all stupid backwards baseballl cap "I hate the world on certain occassions" shirt, baggy dickies pants wearing wannabes. I know old metal, Black Sabbath, Iron Butterfly, Deep Purple, kill em' all Metallica, Dio, just to name a few.

    I even know what Death Metal bands are out there and I do recognize some of them as non satanic but some others as music choose not to listen because of my religion and love for God. I like listening to some deicide execpt when it gets too blasphemous, Opeth for their musical genius, Marduk, Amon Amarth, Behemoth, Death, Mortician, Decapitated, Sepultera, Dying Fetus, and I dont know if you know them Brujeria. And to make it seem more if I'm mallcore I'am interested in getting a seven string guitar but if you knew anything some metal bands do use them Slayer, Cannibal Corpse just to add to that. Also i draw my influences from a bunch of metal guitarists Tony Iommi. Randy Rhoads, Dimebag Darrel, and non metal guitarists such as Steve Vai, Carlos Santana, and Jimi Hendrix. And a little history here 7 string guitars were made for jazz players looking to bass lines on the low B string, Steve Vai played em inthe eighties and all I see what Korn was trying to do was be different. so hopefully you read this and answer me because I still dont know what music I'm listening to.

  • "Jeremy Tempest" <inthefuturetocome@hotmail.com> - 28 Aug'03: Regarding the debate over Nu-Metal: Firstly, I feel the majority of music being commercially released these days is bad, not just Nu-metal. I believe the quality of music as a whole has gone down over the past decade. As for myself, I am 21 years old and began listening to music seriously when I was 6 years old, in 1988. I would sneak into my brother's room and put in his cassettes. He had quite a diverse taste in music, from Madonna to AC/DC. My music tastes matured as I grew older, and I like to consider myself somewhat of a music buff now. Most bands that fall into the metal/glam/hard rock/alternative/nu-metal categories over the past 20 years, I've heard at least 3 songs from, in most cases I've heard more like 3 albums(save for a few obscure bands). The trend I've noticed with metal today is that it seems to cater to the masses more than ever. This is not what metal is about. Metal has always been opposed to media and hype at its core, it's always been about not following the crowd.

    Yet today, we can walk outside and see a dozen kids with died hari, facial piercings or some other attention-grabber, dressed in typical angst-ridden fashion, usually within the span of less than an hour. Are these kids/people wrong? Not necessarily. They're just influenced by what they listen to. Nu-metal is typically filled with messages about depression, problems and the subsequent venting of those problems. All this does is encourage the problem. Music is meant, I believe, to be about fun, and also about learningand growing. These days, lyrics spread the opposite message, and offer nothing to vulnerable youngsters to help encourage good behavior, they offer little on the subject of love and affection, even less in the introspective, meaningful lyric department, and almost nothing productive when it comes to fun. Lyrics should be about fun, love, the innate joys of life, empowerment, philosophy, and interesting subjects, the uncommon and unknown. As far as musicianship goes, I have yet to hear one guitar solo in a nu-metal song. Is this an attempt to verify their lack of musical abilities?

    Why can't a guitarist for, say Linkin Park, simply show his talent, if it is there, and play a melodic solo riff in the middle of a song? Is this against the rules these days or something? No, I believe the main reason is because they know that the youngsters aren't looking for it, so why waste time and energy(not to mention a lot of studio mistake-masking!) even putting one in a song. As for vocals, there is no such thing anymore. Nu-metal is about growling, screaming and inducing ululable howls. This is jejune and trite, and doesn't belong on any song, let alone every song on every new album. Another thing that is really lamentable is that rapping, DJs and ebonics are all so prevalent on the Nu-metal scene today. This is outlandish!!! These things belong in trendy dance clubs, not in supposedly rockin' bands! So what are we supposed to do about it? Exposure of real bands is
    imperative, and letting people who enjoy the nu-metal genre and think that's what real metal is supposed to sound like listen to some true great music is also important.

    Heaviness of a track means nothing if it doesn't have melody and meaningful lyrics and talented, soaring vocals to back it up. That's called being a poser, and that's false metal. Power Metal is for me. It meets all my musical needs and proves itself as true metal. It's too bad that it's not at all mainstream and most people in the US have never heard one power metal song in their life. I am overjoyed when I can introduce a friend to this and watch as their ears and eyes open and widen to the speed, beauty, talent and true power of real metal. I've converted many a Korn fan in my day :) Well that's about it. All I have to say in conclusion is please, open your minds to other music out there, and truly try to understand what metal is really all about. It's roots are in speed, double-bass drumming, talented guitar solos, and memorable, authenticly-talented vocal styles. Try something along the likes of Helloween, Rhapsody, Blind Guardian, Stratovarius, Insania, Nightwish(Evanescence ripped them off big time, and doesn't do the lead female vocal thing to even 1/100th of a degree as well!), Edguy, Hammerfall, Children of Bodom(growling vocals,*shruggs*, but very melodic and extremely hard music!) Sonata Arctica(some of their ballads are quite fruity, but the harder stuff rocks and is headbanging material)Savatage, Avantasia, Symphony X, Primal Fear, etc.

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