Excellent site. Thanks for the laughs!

I have some diagreements to. I like a few nu metal bands, and you must admit some nu metal bands do have talent.Also, not all nu metal fans go around trying to look weird just to be cool. It's very hypocritic of you to say all nu metal is untalented, and like rap. Rap is a very untalented(exept for old school rap, which is pretty good) music genre and all you have to do is make a PARENTAL ADVISORY for it to sell.The only reason why people listen to it is so they can be cool.

i have broad musical tastes, and i only have one ear peircing(i think it looks good on me).My favourites:dead kennedys,pantera,recover,40 below summer,the offspring, powerman 5000, rob zombie, bob marley, steel pulse, pink floyd, jimi hendrix, pennywise,system of a down and a whole bunch of other bands.I listen to music i like, and dont care what other people say. SO SHUTUP IF YOUR GOING TO CALL ME A POSER!

I can see some of thier point of view tho. I'm in a couple of bands myself (and old school Hardcore band and a Punk Rock band, I say punk rock to give an Idea what we're like, the band includes GBH and English Dogs members). Playing to younger audiences are the best gigs we do as they do get into it, and it's so hard to not get them flashing the devil signs when you know they are so up for it. But our messages are much more positive. I can't really slag off 'Da Kids' because I remember being 13 and going to see Guns N Roses, and Metallica and the likes, back in 93 when me and my friends were very uncool because we didn't like rave and stuff (when infact I started High School liking Altern8 etc, and again, I was uncool..can't win can ya?)

As far as Metal goes, I think UKHC is some of the most exciting, intense and heavy music around at the moment, an it will have it's day. I can't wait to kids going apeshit, windmilling and hi kicking to big massive beatdowns. Try checking out bands like Stampin Ground, Knuckldust, 9Bar, 50. Caliber, Decimate, Freebase.... You'll see what I mean.

One alteration to the list of rules tho...Ibanez 7 strings seem to be "out" and PRS guitars are "IN"..that and Mesa Dual Rectifiers. I am pleased to say that I do own a PRS Custom 22 and a Dual rec, and I make a point of NOT playing nu-metal with them! haha.

Sean - Set Against/Sensa Yuma

I would submit that the best way to decide is to go ahead and recognize the existing genres that are in direct opposition to metal (ie. the one's we're always makign fun of, looking down upon, etc) and realize that any blend of metal and these genres must by definition cease to be heavy metal. As far as I can tell rap has ALWAYS been first on the list of undesirables for any true metalhead, rivaled maybe only by pop (although this new shit heralded by the Vines or whoever they are is a serious contender!) After the obvious blends have been eliminated it boils down to a subjective opinion of general attitude/philosophy; whether or not the attitudes associated with the mixing genre correspond with the attitudes of metal. I'll leave you with a short example: Punk's "who gives a fuck" attitude meshed real well with 80's metal's "fuck you" attitude, in much the same way that death metal's "I fucking hate you" also corresponds. On the other hand, pop's "Fuck is a bad word" attitude and rap's "Fuckin' forty inch rims" ...well you get the picture.

i think that the reason most people despise nu met! al is because of a lack of contrast. im not saying i totally hate nu-metal, but ive been playing all kinds of musical instruments and i know theory inside out, ive heard all kinds of music, and i find that almost all the songs i listen to have plenty of contrast. as it happens im into the old stuff myself, slayer, gnr, etc etc... take slayers angel of death for example: the lyrics might not be much by the way of expressing feeling, but they hold a lot in them. it starts off fast and heavy, then theres a slower part, some heavy but slowish stuff, then a moments silence and all hell breaks loose, it goes back to 220bpm with solos that make your ears bleed. sure you might critisize slayer, but if youve ever been to a concert where theyve performed angel of death youd know that the crowd go crazy at the start of the song, then it all calms down which lets them build up for the last part where they go absolutely fucking wild. most the slipknot stuff ive heard lacks this kind of contrast, being mostly barre chords.

sure its heavy but there ! is no real heavy without light, no day without night, no good without evil and so on. one thing that also makes me wonder about slipknot is the fact that they have 9 band members? i mean sure its good to do your own thing, but theres a difference between saying your individual and actually being individual. you could take a look at punks and say 'well those guys are rebels so i guess they are real hard cases im going to be a punk!', which makes you just another trendy conforming to some trend. on the other hand you can listen to punk music and get involved with that kind of culture, decide that you like it regardless of what other people say, be they trendies or fellow rockers. getting back to the question, 9 band members to do a job that slayer (in my opinion) managed to pull of with 4? it just mystifies me. im a very experienced musician and i find it hard to get our band to all play together and remember the riff order etc, and theres 4 of us. but 9 people is taking it a ! bit far, which is probably one of the reasons they dont sound so good. be excellent to each other! keep on rockin dudes

- bassist pez

What I think is going on is you guys are pissed because the music you love is dieing and going extinct like the dinosaurs. Your looking for something else to blame besides the shitty bands and yourself. Lets get real the people that like cannibal corpse deicide morbid angel do me a favor get a box of q tips and clean the cum outta your ears. Then maybe youll realize that thats why people cant
stand that crap. For gods sake those guys sound like a bitch bear in heat that just did a spoon of smack. I do agree 110% about the posers liking a band is cool trying to eminate it is purely stupid. I know I work for a large Dept. store in the mall (thee one that sells chain saws) I have to walk by a hot topic every day the stench of bad dye jobs and ass is about enough to make me puke. All in All its just music even though I might have a little you shouldnt rip on people for what they get into. If it makes em feel good or it makes em move than its allright.

How about Faith No More, from 1983/4 and on? How about Bad Brains in their 80's incarnations? Rage are pioneers about as much as John Smith was.

Whatever you hear on the radio it will be POP MUSIC. Call it whatever you want it is just pop music. The structure has been the same for almost 30 years.

The music industry has many reasons to keep the format the same and number one is - it sells. It sells to the average listener, it sells to advertisers, and you have been geared your entirely life to listen to the format. It probably even sells to your mother. Change the tempo (not too much though), add some distortion on the guitars and maybe the bass, stop singing and start screaming(or now, rapping), mix the drums differently and change the EQ a bit
and you can turn almost any pop tune into metal without changing the structure at all. Why do you think Anthrax did so well when they rapped on a track? Aerosmith and Run DMC. The list doesn't just work for rap and metal/rock either. Almost all parts of any radio oriented style can be exchanged freely with any other radio oriented style.

Occasionally someone comes up with a new gimmick but then they have to fit that gimmick into the pop format. It's like trying to be creative in a straight jacket. You can make lot's of noise but you can't build a house.

Don't limit yourself to one genre of music and try not to pretend that your favorite radio oriented music is any more innovative than what came before. Read some books on music - Noise: The Political Economy of Music is particularly interesting.

Most importantly - YOU CAN MAKE MUSIC - stop listening to what is being forced down your throat. Make music - of any kind but concentrate on the underlying structure. The format is getting old...I thought it was going to collapse (pipe dreams) during the late 80's and early 90s when raves got popular but then...along came Crystal Method and the Chemical Brothers. They turned electronica back into arena rock. Check out Mouse on Mars, Autechre, the Orb, Trans Am, Tortoise and you will find something you probably have not heard before. Those groups (and many others) do not make pop music - they create musical journeys that are very satisfying to listen to.

!!SKULL!!

If you got off your little tower for a second you could realize that these kids listen to this music because it makes them happy; they fucking want to; they love it; and it's for their own reasons, isn't that the same reason you listen to your music? What is nu-metal really taking away from music? Heart? Soul? The kids can obviously sense heart and soul in some of this music, otherwise they wouldn't be listening to it.

It's not the instruments themselves that make music great, it's the fuckin ears that are there to pick it up. So don't be stupid, music helps many people get through stages of their life; who are you to judge their choice of tunes? Although many of these bands are quite 'trendy' or what not, don't you think these kids still hear their words, and feel their music? Anger, hate, these are all natural feelings we all experience... these bands just express it. So maybe society has changed, but don't blame the bands, blame the society.

And the majority of your claims that these bands are untalented are laughable. Obviously you enjoy judging all of them by appearance without even listening to their albums.

Many of these bands... for example Tool and Radiohead... are taking these kids; and music; to a whole new level... a whole new level of emotion and feeling. They add much depth to the entire genre.

Music is nothing but sound waves in the air. What's important is how people are going to interpret it. So who are you to judge these bands? Judge America for being so commercial; don't blame these poor guys for playing instruments. Many of these people come on stage and bleed for these kids...

But hey, as long as it's funny, right?

And i thought i was bad when it came to hacking that someone doesnt like ur fav band, but this is rediculous! man..

Anywayz, cool stuff. i like how u made that mallcore list coz of one guy...u know i have no idea wat mallcore is...

p.s slipknot,linkin park,paparoch ,fear factory ,and tool are not metal they are there own thing. never clame to be something your not then ill have respect for these bands.

there isnt really anyway any good music is going to gain a foothld with there being no popular medium willing to support it and so the owners of roadrunner wreck chords can wreak their havoc.

-- criticise away --

What you guys need is some fukkin A1 or some N Sync!!! i adore these fukkin bands. These are real men who can really sing. They sing bout important stuff like love and kissin, and all your shitty bands shout bout is being unwanted and shit on! (sometimes literally!)

I jus had to send you this to advise you on listening to some real bangin choonies and buy an A1 cd!!!

Here have a tissue go wipe you fucking pussy. Tell me you fuckin waste of cum, does your job consist of sitting bakc in a chair whining all day about how you don't like this and don't like that? Have you ever contributed to socitey? And i don't mean another fuckin drug party? Do you play an instrument? It sounds like to me you have your pussy in a bind because 30 yrs ago what you thought was heavy metal is nothing but a fuckin warm up to what heavy metal has become now. Hey asshole talking about politics though the bands that sing about it know nothing of it? How the fuck would you knwo did the Virgin Mary come and whisper in your fuckin ear the truth? You'd be happy to know dipshit that a band called Misery Index has a lead singer who is a major in political science. You know what a Misery Index is right skull fuck victim? I bet your one of those people who will do nothing but sit back annd bitch about life but never have the balls to change anything. All you are is a lemming for the government. You want to say we think we are superior because we listen to unpopular bands? Well fuck yeah I'll agree with that statement, I am superior to the dumb fucks who simply say, " Oh i love him he's so dreamy, or she so hot or she can dance."

Hello you fuckin moron you are entertained by the most simple shit and you think for one fucking second those so called "popstars" give a shit about anything but that fuckin pay check. People like you are the weak link in society, so fuckin material dependent, you'll fuck! anything that moves, and as long as your safe and your happy to fuck with anything else. I heard a great statement awhile back about how the minority of a generation is the one who later in life runs the generation, thank God because if we had dumb fuckin simpletons and morons like you who have nothing better to do but go clubbing and get drunk and take drugs the world would be fucked beyond repair. Fuck nu-metal and fuck your close minded lame fuckin dormant brain.